And... VW rejected that FP Idiot

"Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)" (bman76-4)
12/21/2016 at 14:13 • Filed to: None

Good. He deserves to have to put that mess back together. Stupidity is its own reward.

DISCUSSION (45)

E90M3 > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/21/2016 at 14:20

What he should have done was strip it, turn it in, wait for the check to clear, then post the story on Jalopnik.

HammerheadFistpunch > E90M3
12/21/2016 at 14:25

we should be clear and say that David likely reached out to him, not the other way around.

Jayhawk Jake > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/21/2016 at 14:25

Eh. Volkswagen’s legal documentation was vague and they willingly damaged the environment with their emissions. I find it hard to have sympathy for any corporation, especially in this case.

TysMagic > E90M3
12/21/2016 at 14:25

my exact thought! When I saw it yesterday I thought why did this get out before he turned the car in? They’re going to find out and cut that crap off...SURPRISE!

E90M3 > HammerheadFistpunch
12/21/2016 at 14:26

Right, but you know he is allowed to say you can’t post this until it’s complete.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > E90M3
12/21/2016 at 14:26

What he should have done was none of that.

E90M3 > TysMagic
12/21/2016 at 14:27

Unless he or someone he knows was a lawyer, I don’t know why he did it this way.

E90M3 > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/21/2016 at 14:28

Why?

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > HammerheadFistpunch
12/21/2016 at 14:28

Eh, he seems dumb/bro enough to have reached out to Jalopnik.

HammerheadFistpunch > E90M3
12/21/2016 at 14:30

I bet he knows that now.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Jayhawk Jake
12/21/2016 at 14:31

And they’re paying for it by buying back all the cars, I’m not sympathetic, but I don’t believe in vigilante justice either.

E90M3 > HammerheadFistpunch
12/21/2016 at 14:31

He should have been smart enough to realize that while this isn’t technically forbidden by the buyback, it really wasn’t going to fly with VW. I’m sure they’d rather keep this to a minimum.

Steve in Manhattan > E90M3
12/21/2016 at 14:33

Been out ... FP idiot?

E90M3 > Steve in Manhattan
12/21/2016 at 14:34

Here you go.

Klaus Schmoll > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/21/2016 at 14:34

Don’t post that on the FP without your flamesuit. The hivemind seems to have come to the conclusion that VW is the second coming of Hitler and that the guy was just following the letter of the law.

I disagree as well. While the settlement may take a little longer to erm... settle, I still think that it is a rather generous offer, especially compared to what customers in other markets get (zilch). Yes, they are being very Germanic/pedantic about the paper trail, but what did people expect? Just showing up at a VW dealer at your ceonvenience to be handed a cheque?

This guy is the equivalent of a class clown who thinks he can show the other kids how cool he is by making the teacher dance to his tune. Well, that never works out, they will be shown tough love. For their own good and for the rest of the class to learn that such behaviour has its consequences. This is what VW is doing here.

They are paying for a vehicle, not parts of a vehicle.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Klaus Schmoll
12/21/2016 at 14:39

Exactly, and posting it to a widely read site? You know VW is going to come at him with the full wrath of god to contain this “idea”, as their well should, it’s fraud.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Klaus Schmoll
12/21/2016 at 14:44

My friend still didn’t recieve a letter regarding the fix of his 1.6 TDI. Always funny to see Americans complain about the settlement taking to long.

Svend > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/21/2016 at 14:52

The guy would of kicked up a stink if he went to a dealership and bought a used car advertised as ‘running, no salvage, not crashed or stolen returned’ and then turned up the next day and found that everything had been removed but as it still drove he was obligated to buy it as per the agreement.

People are just too stupid.

Steve in Manhattan > E90M3
12/21/2016 at 14:52

I guess he parted it out ... what a maroon!

Klaus Schmoll > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/21/2016 at 14:59

I don’t know if it’s technically “fraud”. That’s the whole letter of the law vs. spirit of the law argument. All we know is that he publicly wanted to dick VW around and now they tell him to take a hike to the back of the queue, and why not? He’ll probably eventually get his money, just after everybody else.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Klaus Schmoll
12/21/2016 at 15:00

Look at Svends comment, I think his thoughts along the same line as mine.

Klaus Schmoll > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem
12/21/2016 at 15:04

On a somewhat related note. My mum got a letter from BMW Switzerland about the Takata recall last week. Called the dealership and had a new airbag installed the next day. So all is well, but it took them over a year to inform her that her car was affected. She had heard about it on the news but never thought about it, and sure as hell didn’t know that she was driving around with a potential shrapnel bomb pointed at her face.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Klaus Schmoll
12/21/2016 at 15:09

Forgot about that too, EU consumer protection at its finest I guess. Maybe I shouldn’t get an E46 after all...

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/21/2016 at 15:10

He hasn’t been rejected yet, his appointment was just “postponed”. As far as I can tell he hasn’t violated the agreement, which is why VW postponed his appointment and didn’t flat out reject it. As petty as what he is doing is, I have a feeling he’s going to win against VW. Even though he may have violated the “spirit of the agreement” he hasn’t violated the letter as far as I have been able to tell. And the letter of the law (agreement) is what matters in this country. It doesn’t matter what the intent or spirit of it was.

Klaus Schmoll > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem
12/21/2016 at 15:11

Aren’t E46s too old to be affected? And yes, you should get an E46! We could be the Bavarian BMW Brothers (BBB!!!), or something....

jimz > Klaus Schmoll
12/21/2016 at 15:11

Don’t post that on the FP without your flamesuit.

Ah, just sic Steve Lehto on them, he just posted his analysis on YT (which you’ve probably seen by now)

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
12/21/2016 at 15:20

Either way, he’ll get his money last.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Klaus Schmoll
12/21/2016 at 15:20

I thought the E46 was the only affected BMW, I’m probably wrong though.

Too bad that I had to sell my E36 Compact in immaculate condition because I was 15 back then. Fuck. Costs also bend me over because I’m under 21. I really want an E46 though.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > Klaus Schmoll
12/21/2016 at 15:40

Exactly. I believe the language of the settlement was made specifically so that people who have had mild/moderate issues with the cars show up between the start of dieselgate and the settlement be able to turn them in without having to go out of their way to get them fixed. A good friend of mine has significant hail damage on her Jetta Sportwagen from a storm that happened in between when VW announced that there would be buybacks and when the settlement was finalized. It has a lot of dents, and a cracked lamp housing, but it is fully operable and safe to drive. (It’s white, so we’ve taken to calling it the Golf ball.) The terms of the settlement make it so that she doesn’t have to go through a lengthy insurance and body-shop process before turning it in. Basically VW has already inconvenienced her quite a bit by selling a cheaty car and then asking her to turn it back in. By offering a decent value and not requiring the car to be perfect, they are taking steps to make it right. People like this FP guy who take it to the extreme risk ruining it for folks who’ve had bad luck while waiting out the time from the buyback announcement to it actually happening.

Tazio, Count Fouroff > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/21/2016 at 15:43

Dude may be within his rights — which apparently also include the right to be a jackwagon (jackwagen?) — but he’s still being a jackwagon

Sam > Jayhawk Jake
12/21/2016 at 16:14

Just to be straight - they didn’t damage the environment, as they were producing excess NOx. NOx is limited because it produces localised effects, such as lung irritation, smog, acid rain, etc. It isn’t a greenhouse gas, like the CO2 that will now be pumped into the air producing replacements for perfectly good vehicles due to a governmental requirement.

Jayhawk Jake > Sam
12/21/2016 at 16:19

Smog, lung irritation, and acid rain damage the environment if we aren’t being pedantic. It harmed living things in an effort to skirt around a regulation.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/21/2016 at 16:33

I feel like VW should have to buy the car back as part of the continued punishment for what they did.

Klaus Schmoll > FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com
12/21/2016 at 16:41

I think your friend is a good example of what this settlement had in mind. They don’t expect it to be washed/waxed, vacuumed and with a fresh oil change on new tires, but they expect a “car”.

I can even somewhat understand the bitching about “I stopped giving a shit about it a year and half ago when they announced the buyback, and it is slowly falling apart so please hurry up!” It’s a first world problem, but an understandable one. Buying new tires for a car that will soon be gone is a questionable expense.

Just don’t expect anyone to be too sorry for you while you saved money that would otherwise have been spent on regular maintenance. Not fixing dents is fine, while complaining about a dying battery that might soon impact your ability to go to work, so that it has to happen right naow is a 21st century snowflake kind of thing.

Frank Grimes > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/21/2016 at 16:41

I agree. It was stupid. But more stupid was VW saying his acts violated the “spirit of the agreement” Did it strike anyone how stupid this sounds coming from a company breaking laws of nations and trying to hide it and thus being sued for billions of dollars. Since when do they get to claim and moral authority?

Klaus Schmoll > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem
12/21/2016 at 16:48

Can you register a car in your dad’s/mom’s name? That’s what I did with my Mazdas while I was at uni. Saved me a lot of money.

Slowly biting me in the ass as the Honda is the first car in my name, but once you are over 25 or so insurance companies acknowledge that you’ve had your license for a while and won’t let you start from scratch.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Frank Grimes
12/21/2016 at 16:52

2 wrongs don’t make a right.

Amoore100 > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/21/2016 at 17:17

I’m so conflicted: on one hand, it was a dickbag move for him to make and ultra-petty and I hate him. On the other hand, VW not taking the car is just pointless pedantry from which they will gain nothing. So yeah, both sides are stupid and idiotic, don’t mind me, I just want a new Cactus.

Kinja'd!!!

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Amoore100
12/21/2016 at 17:43

I want a Cactus so bad, I’d buy one over any other new car if they brought them to the US.

Amoore100 > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/21/2016 at 19:49

Agreed. <$20k for a minuscule, go-anywhere turbopetrol I3 hatch? Sign me up.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Amoore100
12/21/2016 at 19:55

It’s sooooooo good looking in person, I just want it in my life.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Klaus Schmoll
12/22/2016 at 00:30

Even insuring it in my mother’s name as a second car is expensive, at least for the V5 Golf Mk4 I posted on Oppo a while back. You’re looking at 1.500,- to 1.600,- a year for just the Haftpflicht. Looks like I won’t get the Golf unfortunately.

Klaus Schmoll > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem
12/22/2016 at 17:31

Sheet! That’s a lot. I would pay that much for a 530d wagon (sedans are more) and I have only been having the Honda in my name for 4 years with one parking mishap where my insurance had to pay for a new bumper on the other car.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Klaus Schmoll
12/23/2016 at 19:57

I just looked at the insurance rate of two other cars and it’s not that bad at all, at least compared to the Golf V5. A 1.8 Opel Astra H with very nice options would be 300,- cheaper a year and a Renault Twingo RS Gordini would be 600,- cheaper

Holy crap, I might even make it to the Europpo Meet with my own car.

dogisbadob > Klaus Schmoll
12/26/2016 at 16:25

VW is going to crush the car anyway, since it will be essentially impossible to fix them to be compliant.